Saturday, November 6, 2010

Who wants a dirtjump park?

This last week I drove to Bend Oregon with Sam Pinner to investigate all the work recently completed. While driving thru Redmond OR, this bike park located just to the right of the Hwy near the Hospital was so simple that I started thinking we could have one of these in Hood River. So who's with me? We need to start an email petition to the HR County Forestry Office and propose a dirt jump area. Its time! 

In Bend, we got a good giggle at this rest stop that doubles as a skinny. Very creative and from the gouging marks on the down side its taken several people out according to the locals with us. Ah, Bend Oregon really inspired us. Just be careful if your near the slalom loop if you have a dog. 

Sweet new skinny installed at 'Family Man' 

Email henry.buckalew@co.hood-river.or.us with a nice positive words of encouragement to designate an   'Jump Skills Area' in Family Man!





33 comments:

  1. I'm with ya! Did you guys hit The Lair? That place is sweet. I'm out of town until February though.

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  2. Cota has there stuff together. Like Forrest says the Lair has gotten sweet in the last two years and is currently getting reworked again and will be even better. The dirt roll-in was upgraded yesterday and is huge now! Over at the slalom loop it now has a 20 jump line (finishing touches yesterday) of various sizes. On weekends there is a LINE of kids to hit the dirtjumps off Phils trailhead (the railroad line)all day long. The goal is ROLLABLE yet fun jumps and lots of them. Tell me where to e-mail the county PLEASE!
    Ron

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  3. I added Henry's email. Please be nice and clear in your messages- please use Bend as an example as its inspired me to have something 'equally' as nice here to ride too!

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  4. I have ridden in both Bend and Hood River and as someone who likes to jump Bend really has their sh*( together all the jump spots offer various lines allowing a steady progression to the larger jumps once your skill's and confidence are up for the task. As for Hood River, sorry but not so much seems like the jumps trails in Hood River cater to the North Shore style of riding that was popular in the late 90's early 2000's with all the wooden gap jumps, drops....etc. Most of the trails seem to offer little flow and seem to get boring after a few runs. Not trying to piss anyone off but seems like all the jump lines and trails need to get a little more progressive and away from the go huck your bike mentality. Fun flowy trails for all levels are what people want to ride these days not one hit wonder style of trails. What I mean here is a few features followed by some trial, and a few more ... not as flowy. Again sorry if I'm hurting feelings by stating my opinion, but I know I'm not alone in this thinking and am just trying to open the exclusivity that seems to be the case in HR as far as what types of trails get built and who build them.

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  5. Wow right on! I hope going from a b cup to a dd cup hears ya!!!

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  6. i hope mike leaves these comments up so the trail stewards and the county hear what people really want.

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  7. I agree with the above statement of "exclusivity of trails and those who build them" I was in Bend during their Fall Build Day and they must have had 100 plus volunteers. Maybe if trails were being built that people wanted to ride and could get excited about more people would show up for build days. At least a Pump Track has some flow, lets hope more will follow. Lets face it, dd cups are fun in the beginning, but then they just get in the way.

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  8. The xc trails still have a fairly high standard in post and provide a great workout. Soo as far as I'm concerned kudos to the efforts of those builders. The super d course I thought was fun as well. The wooden "feature" stunt trails are what will eventually destroy post canyon and shut the free ride scene down there. They simply are dangerous and frankly not fun. I totally agree they have no flow and there is not one section where you would go hang out and session right now just because they don't accommodate multiple ability levels. The big "features" are built for 2% of the riders in post canyon. More flow and rollable jumps are the sh#t.
    Ron

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  9. totally agree the above statements lets take the "huck" at of Post Canyon and build some trails that offer flow and progression for the average rider to build up their skills, and not send themselves to the hospital attempting something dangerous and over there skill level. I also agree with Ron that the wooden feature stunt trails could lead to the end of Post, as they are a dangerous, and with USA's love affair with suing people for their own stupidity, a lawsuit just waiting to happen. There is no reason that the jumps can't be made big, challenging, fun, but also safe. By the way like the idea of a progressive jump park.

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  10. firs i would like to say im very impressed whith how much effort is going into post this winter. and for every one who dogs on post beacuse of the gaps or "huck" factor, dont dog on it just beacuse "you" cant ride it. it is one of the few places with gaps and technical features in the north west, if anything, there could be and should be even bigger lines, and harder features. yes i agree there could be more flow to things. but, everything at post has been built by locals with there own time and money, so if you dont like it, invest some of "your" time and money....."MAD PROPS TO ALL THE BUILDERS"

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  11. Ahhhhh, yeah sweet dude. Well I can jump everything in post and have for years. The point is the sport has evolved past dead sailors all day long on your 10 inch travel bike off 22degree take offs. More doors should be open to more riders who want to jump and freeride. Post has in the past segregated itself into I build what I ride. This is county land this stuff is for the masses. Old school is out! It looks from the above photos more flow and safe fun sustainable jumps are moving in. So thanks for the effort to those who really care about post canyon and for those who only build what only they can ride. Check your calendar year!

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  12. GIVE POST LESS HUCK AND MORE STEEZ!!!!

    Ron

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  13. "A group of 'unified' trailbuilders who build, steward and maintain the MTB specific trails around Mt Hood Oregon. Operating under the rules set forth by the Hood River Forestry Dept and HR Trail Committee by practicing sustainable building of trails for all to enjoy."

    If this is your mission statement I don't think that the go huck your bike trails currently in place really fit this statement as they seem to cater to a select group of advanced riders. Based on the comments in this blog I think there is a need for more trails that offer flow and progression instead of Oh shit here I go hope I don't wake up in the hospital. Hopefully this blog will change the minds of the people that make the decisions on the trails in post and we get a more diverse trail network. I have nothing against the go huck trails, I just think that this style of riding is on its way out the door and we need to adapt our trails and open them up to a larger user group. Which in the end will only benefit all.

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  14. Interesting comments. First time this blog has ever gotten a response. Firstly I would like you all to sign up for google so we can ID and discuss these issues accordingly. I'm merely a spokesperson, a suggestion box. I do not make the rules in regards to each trails 'reason' for existence but there is allot of history in Post Canyon and I can assure you- its changing to meet everyones needs. We can't wave a wand and make all of your issues with the trails and features disappear- it will take time, effort and teamwork. I think there's more than 2% that ride '2 Chairs 2' to the bottom of Seven Streams quite frequently and no one can dictate how much trail traffic really exists in Post Canyon as that # has greatly grown due to 'word of mouth' and the internet. New XC trails 'Charlies' Re-routes on Spag-Factory' and the now climbable '8Track' with 'The Boot Loop' and don't forget about the 'Hybrid #140 that nobody seems to remember is there- Plenty of flowy stuff here already. Improving existing trails is going to happen- lots of talk between the 17 builders who are legally signed off to steward the trail system are doing thier jobs. We are volunteers, we do not get paid to do this, materials, screws, gas, chains, hammers, spikes, shovels, bar and chain oil, 2 strok mixer it all comes out of our pocket, NOT YOURS! So you all need to realize that before you say a goddam thing about Post Canyon. So please comment away. I'm now paying attention to this thread.

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  15. Whoa whoa whoa, I certainly appreciate the dollars spent but if the place gets yanked that would be a huge waste! You can't believe how busy the orthopedists stay because of post canyon. I work as a surgical nurse and spend time doing lots of ortho. Putting .big wooden gaps and drops on county property for tourists and kids is seen by many in the medical community as reckless endangerment! That may be seen as a joke to some but the medical community has money and influence. I think its inevitable these features will get pulled at some point and it will be decided for us. I don't think there is any disrespect for work done or any rider speaking here who's ego wants things tamed down. I think riders want to see the area grow in a positive way and think how the local shops would grow with more riders (particularly kids) shredding post. I'll say it again.... I really think post should model it's jump lines after bend. Dirt features or log type tables. For example, fill in extended plays gaps with log and rocks then top it with dirt and build the jumps up to dirt jump style. Bigger hits that are a line quality tables. The current wooden ladder gaps could be bridged for roll in if necessary. Doing this would have ZERO effect on riders who currently rip this line but lesser experienced riders will be safe shorting stuff and you'll get skill progression. It's just responsible trail building. The next generation of trails seem to be in there infancy with new faces putting their time (time equals money) and energy into the woods. What a cool thing to see it sustainable and possibly promotable for events.
    Most respectfully,
    Ron Begeot
    Don't have a google account but u can hit me up on pink bike.

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  16. "Dangerous and not fun"....hmmm interesting.. The fact that it's dangerous makes it fun as long as it's well built and designed for the intended user(EXPERT). I wonder how many of you are musicians?...if you were would you go to an open mic to watch(listen) someone else play only to tell them they are out of tune and their songs are all old school and they need to accommodate you and play something that you like right now. In you defense you would state that the average listener is going to have their ear drums damaged thus be sent to the hospital because only 2% of the listeners can tolerate the songs you play.

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  17. Ron this is the Solution...Please accommodate the overly criticized volunteer trail builders by building your vision yourself..to note it needs to be a New School, intermediate,non- risky, non-hucking, non-North Shoresque, anti-gap, flowy, tabled, roll-able, safe, dirt,fun, non-dangerous, very progressive without 22 degree jumps,ladders,skinnies or in no way shape or form could prompt a hospital visit by it's user. As an extra challenge it MUST accommodates all levels of riders since that's what people really really really want. Since you proudly announced your community/occupation has so much money and influence the design process, building the trail,buying the materials,buying a chainsaw,cordless tools,renting the excavator,getting your friends to ditch their next 15 weekends, maintaining it after work even in darkness and finally adopting it will be a cinch. Essentially you'll be doing what I did 15 years ago... building my vision on my dime with my time at my level which made me and my friends happy. I'm all about more trails especially when others work so hard to express their imagination creatively with their free time which ultimately benefits the masses. All the local trail builders thank you in advance for your generosity, dedication and overwhelming responsibility.

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  18. My name is Joe, and I am a Huckaholic. I can picture the anonymous person above in my head all decked out with the coolest new Troy Lee Gear, hopped up on ritalin and trying to keep up with all the progressiveness of the sport. Already having forgotten about the history of the sport, and it's diversity. Don't worry friend, just because it isn't on the cover of this months Decline magazine, doesn't mean it is not appreciated. Rest assured that there are still many, many folks riding this area who have a diverse riding portfolio and like single track, DH, dirt jumps and Scary freaking wooden skinnies and jumps. Before complaining about wood features and claiming them as "dangerous and not fun" is ignorant and self serving. The jumps and stunts are not excavated or groomed by heavy equipment and require a certain amount of skill that many of us enjoy testing ourselves on. Oh yeah, and I guess I should chime in and say that I have been hitting everything up in post canyon for years too - And still enjoy it. Sure, I love to hit prcision groomed, "safe" features that an old lady can hit as long as she carries the correct amount of speed over, but it gets entirely boring quickly. When I want that, I can go to bend or elsewhere.

    If post becomes a place where all the progressive folks are practicing their new progressive 360-backflip-no footed-x up over a new "in with the times" post canyon, be assured that I, the commerce that I and others bring to Hood river, as well as some volunteers who build will ride elsewhere.

    In summary - More Big high stakes gaps, skinnies and drops with sketchy landings.

    Sincerely,

    Joe from Washington

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  19. I keep reading this reference to the "17 builders" maybe if these 17 builders were a little more open to some different building techniques, different style of trails you could turn 17 into 50+ hardcore trail builders. I don't live in HR area but live in Bend and can assure you that there are way more than 17 people that do consistent trail work and when COTA organizes the major work parties they get a large turnout 100+. Again I am just speculating at this point but it seems there is a core group dedicated to the North Shore style of riding with the advanced expert skills to ride what they build. There is no problem with this but having ridden at post there really isn't much progression leading up to some of theses features. Not every rider is at the expert level and soon enough they get bored with what they have been riding and decide they need to take it to the next level, except there is no next level. Only strait to features they most likely aren't ready for but since there is nothing in between they give it a go and wake up in the hospital. I don't think that Ron is saying don't build what you like to ride, but being that this is county land, the trails should be built for all to enjoy and offer some progression for those aspiring to hit the larger features a means to build there skill up to that level.

    and to evilbeaver if the land was yours there would be nothing wrong with this statement "building my vision on my dime with my time at my level which made me and my friends happy" wake up this is county land, and I'm guessing this statement sums up the problem with this area. Selfishness & resistance to change! If your going to build expert level features on County land than as a responsible trail builder you should also be building features and trails that allow beginners a means of getting to your level.

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  20. I am a Doctor from Sherwood and would like to personally approve all the features at Post Canyon as safe (if ridden by a person in their right mindset) and appreciate all the hardwork that the trail builders put into these trails. The patients that I see are typically struck with lack of stoke and come to me with how I can help them. The first thing I tell them is they need to find "that thing" that excites them and do more of it. For me that is riding my bike and getting a little bit scared from time to time.

    I will be the first to admit that I don't ride everything at Post nor do I plan to, but I will say I have been riding their since it's infancy. Back when I would drive 3 hours to ride little skinny log rides with the potential risk of falling into a freezing creek and dying of hypothermia (not really but you get it). The trails have progressed with the riders that ride the area and I don't know what trails these people have ridden but there are beginner trails to learn on if you look for them. Have any of you taken the time to buy a map and actually explore the area? There are so many areas at Post to progress your riding without doing the "risky" stunts.

    The best part about post for me is you can start at the top ride awesome single track at full tilt boogy, then drop into a jump line session it for a while, drop back onto more awesome single track, hit some drops, some more jumps, decide you need more singletrack so you hit it and then drop into drop zone (zero risk) and ride out seven streams. All of this is done with one trip to the top, very minimal hiking and the day is half done. I have ridden the trails in Bend and they are a blast as well just a different style. It is great to see more trails popping up all over for young rippers to get out and ride but you can't allow the opinion of a few to change the trails for everyone.

    Anyone can go spend 5k on a bike, another 1k on gear from head to toe and look like Steve Peat but that doesn't make you an expert rider. Take responsibility for your own actions, know your limits, ride within those limits and progress as your mindset and skillset allows. If the way of the future is for no risk features then why are people still riding at places like the Northshore, Blackrock, Whistler, etc.? All of these places are very popular and not all of those areas are risk free with rollable jumps. Maybe you should call Whistler up and ask them to take out all the gap jumps, wood features, and downhill for that matter because that's in the past. I'm sure they would laugh at you and ask if you are the one holding up the line of riders going down A-line when you should be on B-line!

    Moral of the story. I have had multiple concussions and wrecks in my 10 years of riding, not a single one of those was on a wooden feature. The first one was actually on a table top! I know it's hard to believe but people can get hurt on table tops too! If you want to see the trails change show up to the work parties, put in your time, and someone will listen to you. Better yet, adopt a trail and build it to reflect the progression that you are seeing with the sport. I personally will keep going to Post until all the trails get dumbed down because the almighty "consumer" wants to roll all the jumps on their full downhill bike with their TLD kit and then complain because their isn't enough flow in the trails.

    Much Love,
    The Doctor

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  21. Again its the 'anonymous' person post that doesn't live here in Hood RIver and is constantly comparing Hood River to Bend. Please man. We are not Bend. My initial post clearly wrote 'I was inspired by Bend' and that is where we are at now. Picking this blog apart. I guess I'll change the mission statement as I'm only reporting the 'News of Post Canyon' and as the person directly involved with communicating with everyone I need to know who you are- If you post 'ANONYMOUS' again- I will DELETE your comments. Thank you to everyone else ID'ing yourself in the comments- those I'm cool with.

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  22. Post Canyon has more progression then most people are aware of. In the last few years the momentum has swung and multiple levels of trail have been created. Dropout has had a complete makeover with small step down gaps off of nice wide ladders. Middle school has been built with no gaps and a ladder drop that is rollable. Three Blind Mice has a super fun tiny gap structure to it to allow people an alternative to two chair and learn gaps. Lower Gp has been built to be a rhythm trail allowing XC riders a nice alternative to the beautifully rebuilt Spagetti Factory which also allows two way traffic and has gotten away from the fall line trail of the past. Xtended play has been built with medium to small gaps and allows people to start in the middle of it without having to commit to the first section of it. The Big FMX line on the left has been shrunken into a safer step up line with Big booty jumps and even bigger landings. GP has been completely rebuilt with generally safer step down jumps and step up jumps with gaps made smaller and very case able. Another trail off of the radar Glory Daze is another nice mid level slice of progression with many nice hip jumps (a great session spot). Even Frankenstein has received a complete make over with lots of benching and no cribbed gaps, mainly step down jumps a couple of ladders with no gaps and some amazing hip jumps. A new pumptrack has been created and Family Man is getting a complete makeover currently. And lets not forget 8 track tat is now a two way street with some of the sketchier fall line stunts being a thing of the past.
    To constantly compare P.C. with Bend is absurd. P.C. has historically been at the forefront of the freeride jump/ stunt riding areas in Oregon and has been through many growing pains. Bend has traditionally been an XC paradise with moderate elevation change and a huge population of bikers. Bend has modernized and created progressive riding areas with the help of the National Forest that frowns on N.S. style stunts.
    My main point here is that Post Canyon offers many different aspects of riding and is constantly evolving for the better. To throw claims of how dangerous it is overshadows how dangerous Mountain Biking really is. I know of broken necks from climbing up hill on North Fork (in Bend) and we all know of the dangers of Syncline, or descending any singletrack, XC or DH/FR. Plenty of people get broken off at the Lair, Phils jumps, Slalom course and Kline butte as well as on two chair, Hospital Hill, Mitchell Ridge and Knebal Springs etc. It is a component of mountain biking that we all need to respect (and fear!)
    I love pedaling my bike uphill, shuttling DH, sessioning North Shore stunts, hitting dirt jumps, shralping XC singletrack and on occasion riding my road bike. We are so lucky and spoiled to have all options open to us and to enjoy and improve our riding abilities that to constantly complain about builders styles, trail features etc just divides the small user group that we all belong to. I say we build more table tops, dirt jumps, XC trails, Ladder drops, wall rides, Big hucks etc, respect the terrain, your abilities and appreciate the process that has allowed Oregon to florish with many awesome PUBLIC riding spots. Long live BlackRock, Post Canyon, The Lair, Sandy, Ravens Ridge, Phils complex, Syncline, and every mountain bike trail in our Great region.
    Craig Cleary

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  24. Craig double posted. I didn't delete anything related to this post topic. In case you guys are wondering.

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  25. Here is the bottom line. Post has something for everyone. I have seen families up there with kids that look like they just got the training wheels off. I have seen TLD guys that look good and make excuses about not being able to hit the Woodlicker because the wind is going in the wrong direction. Cross country riders...and people like myself...Freeriders. The mountain has things for everyone and the builders have done an amazing job at making sure it accomdates everyone. It seems pretty simple. If you don't like or can't ride the stunts on a certain trail...go ride another one. A lot of people(me and my TDB crew are in this group)like those trails that scare the shit outta you. So builders keep building, D-bags keep complaining, and guys/girls who appreciate all different styles of biking, ride crazy and ride safe.

    - The Hobbit(small hands and smells like cabbage)

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  26. I guess nobody wants a dedicated dirt jump park?

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  27. For all the haters and new school ignorant users ... a little history lesson to ponder.. What I've built or co-built in Post Canyon since I decided to take my riding skills to the next level back in 98'..12 bridges, The South Shore, Evolution, Skidder, Frankenstien, Drop Out, Snap Dragon, Toilet Bowl, ONT, 2 chair 2, Borderline, Chorus, FMX(right side), Egg Hunt, Upper GP, Middle GP, lower post canyon, Extended Play, 8-track, The Boot, log work on Family Man,Blue Car,GP's 2nd face lift,Mitchell ridge ,upper 2 chair and some of the super-D course. I love trail building it has built my confidence as rider to levels I never thought possible. Most of you have enjoyed the benefits of my passionate efforts(obsession) while others keep on complaining.."most people want this and that".. assuming it's somehow my obligation to SERVE YOU since it's public land and I'm volunteering...Key words VOLUNTEERING MY TIME,MY $$,MY TOOLS,MY ENERGY. Since some of you have no idea what this feels like please throw down 500 hours and then make a comment.

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  28. First off, I have to apologize for not identifying myself I planned on posting my opinion once and forgetting about this thread. But that didn't happen so my apologies to you Mike, and all the others reading this thread. I am the anonymous responsible for posts 4, 9, 13, & 19. With that said my name is Joe and I stumbled across this thread and saw the picture of the Redmond Dirt jump park which I helped out on. I am also one of the trail stewards for the Lair in Bend. The only reason I decided to post is that I run into people from Hood River constantly at the Lair. I always ask them don't you have nice jumps in Post as well. They reply we have jumps but almost all of them are gap doubles with landings that are not very case friendly. Bear in mind that a lot of these people are new to the jumping scene and hitting the beginner and intermediate lines only. The common denominator seems to be that they don't have a place where they feel comfortable progressing there jump skills in Post so they go else ware to work on these skills. Having ridden at post I think that the trails are fun, but a majority of the features cater to at the very least intermediate riders. I'm also sure that I didn't ride all the trails and maybe should have kept my mouth shut. Maybe there are trails that cater more to the beginners... I will have to do more exploration next time I ride there. I guess what it boils down to is my opinion of Post has largely been based on what people tell me, and I am sorry to all that I have offended. On the flip side there seems to be a little bit of a disconnect between the expert riders building the features thinking they are of beginner, or intermediate level and the actual intermediate/ beginner riders in the area. In my opinion gap jumps and beginners don't mix well as it is just too much of a mental mind F*(( for them to overcome. Combine a gap that is built out of wood and it becomes an even greater mind f*(%.

    Whew... All that said I think you all have a great thing going in Post, but still think some are wanting a little more jump wise to progress there skills. I think building a dirt jump park similar to the one in Redmond just may be what Post needs to narrow the gap between the extreme hucking crowd and those just getting into the sport and learning to jump. If anyone wants to contact me please feel free to do so on my pink bike account my user name is jtrein

    again sorry for any drama I may have caused. cheers to making Post better for all users the more we can all do to get more bikes in the woods the better off we all will be.

    Joe Treinen

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  29. EvilBeaver,

    I don't think anybody is denying the fact that you have made post what it is, and for this whether they ride all these trails or not they should be grateful. To you I apologize, b/c after rereading my posts they where in fact disrespectful. From what people tell me you are the person in charge of trails in Post Canyon. I think all this group of people is asking for is the same opportunity the county gave you back in 98, the opportunity to build some trails they feel passionate about and which they can take their riding and I quote you "to a level they never thought possible". I don't think they are asking or want you to build it for them but the opportunity to build their own trail. I know this is all easier said than done, but since you are the trail master for post canyon are you open to a group building a trail they can feel passionate about or is the trail system in Post Canyon a dictatorship. All in all whats it going to hurt with the proper supervision, if you allow a group to build a trail more akin to their style. If anything it may help put an end to all this bickering and strengthen the Post Canyon riding experience.

    Sincerely,
    Joe Treinen

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  30. Thank you Joe for shedding light. I LOVE THE LAIR and would love for you to come and work on my trail anytime you want- seriously. I love the LAIR- what you guys have (well, minus Mr Jim Karn for chewing me out last visit) is absolutely awesome. We are inspired by Bend. Thanks for clarifying your comments.

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  31. In reading all of the comments...I would like to say that I truly appreciate all of the time, hard work, and passion the local trail builders have devoted to Post.
    Key word...DEVOTED. And quite frankly, I don't see the current advanced stunts going south...EVER. They aren't going to change the vision they laid out on the soil and wood. Like a beautiful piece of art hanging on the wall for all to admire, would you walk over to it and start splatting it with your paint, as if it were your canvas? I would like to think not. As a voting member of the Hood River County Trail Committee, I will never give a thumbs up to altering an advanced feature to accomadate Tom, Dick, Harry, or Jane for that matter. It is what it is...advanced and spectacular and you better own it if you want to ride it. Otherwise, build up to such splendor. If riders want easy jumps and such, propose it at the next county meeting...but remember, you have to build and maintain it too. If a rider truly wants to practice on an easier progression, there are plenty of features in Post to do so. Like training for a marathon...you must log many miles to get you to the finish line. The first time I rode in Post I looked at simple root drops and dirt jumps like they were the scariest thing ever. And now, I can't get enough of them. If there is something in the woods I want to climb, hit, jump, or simply flow along screaming "I LOVE MY BIKE," which I do on occasion...I'm going to keep on going until I get where I want to be. Whether it happens to be jumping bigger, climbing higher, or dropping off something that scares me most. If a group of riders wants more easy intermediate paths to the so called gradual progression, come to a trail meeting and speak your mind. And by the way, the features and trails built on "NOT YOUR PROPERTY" are proposed and voted on.

    My sincere thank you to all of the builders that have put forth great effort in creating a magnificant abode of wild woods fun. Whether it be running it or biking it...I do love it all. I haven't even come close to the volunteer hours dedicated by the local builders and I can't say I ever will. What I can say is...THANK YOU. Keep on keeping on in the lovely woods you often call home.

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  32. Who wants trails for average riders? Only people who want to stay average for ever. I like the big stunts in Post Canyon. I want the road gap back it was kinda scary and I like that. And yes I've been hurt (broken foor left side) doing those big stunts and lots of little ones too. Point is peopel can't get better oion trails made for the average rider. Who wants to be an average rider anyway? Isn't that just a phase between learninga nd being good or doin something eles? Oh and the jump park looks freakin awesome! I'll build one on my own property if no one else does!

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  33. Wow, just was able to catch up on the blog. Looks like I took the worst approach I could. Really sorry my angle came across the wrong way. Although different from mine I totally appreciate peoples opions on the subject. Particularly Douglas, I've enjoyed your effort for years and hopefully for years to come.
    Respectfully
    Ron

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